Is this tri-plex on E. Glenrosa Avenue a true Haver?

[hesterstudio]

Hi Alison and Friends of the Forum-
We were excited to find your post titled "Pueblo Bonita and Pasadena Heights Area" In it, you provide several photos of Haver duplexes on Glenrosa Ave. One of the duplexes pictured (which is actually a triplex) is a property that my husband and I will be closing on in a couple of weeks! We did not know until yesterday that we could possibly be purchasing a REAL Ralph Haver design. After calls to planning, the recorder's office and the historic society, we have been unable to verify through public documents that the architect of the property is indeed Ralph Haver. Can you please help us to clarify if the pictures in that post are definitively Havers? If so, that would be fantastic Where could we get documentation that will substantiate this?

On another note, we are exstatic about becoming "parents" of Haver triplets! You would not believe the condition of 2 of the units; they are like walking into wonderful time capsules from 1964! (Unfortuantely one of the units needs major renovation.)There have been very few modifications to the interiors or exterior over the years and Haver's brilliance shines through, especially in the half circular kitchens.

In the next several weeks, will be working on our renovation "wish list" in order to bring the units to the rental market.

Are there fellow Modern Phoenicians out there that have experience renovating Havers for the rental market versus personal use
How much do you leave true to the original design, versis change out to be more in line with today's tastes (i.e. wood paneling)? We need to maximize rents while keeping costs down.

Any thoughts or experience successfully navigating these decisions would be greatly appreciated.

[u]We will be gathering quotes and ideas from trades people this weekend if anyone would like to stop by and chat or offer services.

The address is 3741 E. Glenrosa Ave. just north of Indian School Rd. between 36th and 38th St. The unit we'll be in is off the street, behind the red brick duplex-- it is the separate unit just north of the back alley. If you'd like to call ahead, just call Shannon's phone at 480-619-0015. PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB THE TENANTS IN THE FRONT DUPLEX.

I've aded several current interior shots so you can get the flavor of each of the apartments.
We hope to hear from any one who canoffer some help.

Thanks in advance!
Shannon

Front of 3741 E. Glenrosa Ave. tri-plex near Aracadia--Alison's photo

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[PixelPixie]

This looks an awful lot like the round kitchen from the "green lantern" duplex on 12th Street and Montebello. It is my theory that those duplexes are the "12th Street Gang" duplexes listed in the Haver portfolios. If your duplex is in the Pueblo Bonita subdivision proper, I bet you they are indeed Havers or at least by his associates. They are the architect of record for the one duplex shown on those documents I found and posted on the Pueblo Bonita page of Modern Phoenix. I will try to find the link for the green lantern duplex later, it is buried somewhere on the message boards. Congrats either way, that kitchen is so ridiculous!

[PixelPixie]

Photos of that duplex here:

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[hesterstudio]

We are just down the block from the Pueblo Bonita complex--to the east. What's interesting is that the elevations that you posted for the Pueblo Bonita units are exactly the same as our units.

I agree that our kitchens look almost identical to the one on 12th and Montebello posted a while ago by another member.

Do you have any recommendations on where I should go from here in my search for information about the architect? John, at the Historic Preservation office thought that a book titled Arizona Builder/Architect might be of help, but he said that the Barton Barr library doesn't have it and he is not sure who does. He also recommended looking through newspaper archives. Has anyone had any luck with either of these processes?

[PixelPixie]

I just looked at the aerial view of your complex / subdivision Howlene Heights and it looks like Pueblo Bonita is a sub-subdivision within Howlene? Only the engineer is listed, not the architect. The roofs are practically identical in the aerials. If it walks like a Haver and quacks like a Haver and Haver's name is on the very similar triplexes next door, I'm pretty certain you can call it a Haver.

Arizona Builder/Contractor magazine is at the AZ State Archives and you pretty much have to go through it page by page.

I have already gone through this goose chase through Arizona Homes magazine, Arizona Architect, and many Republic publications with no mention of these complexes.

The 12th Street Gang Duplexes are listed as being built in 1964. Hope this helps and good luck!

[PixelPixie]

PS don't bother going through Country Recorder docs looking for 12th Street Gang as the corporation, I have exhausted every variation no luck over many years.

[hesterstudio]

Thanks Alison. Quack quack! You've made my day My husband's too!

Now onto the renovation! Help!.....

[matthew]

LOL @Quack Quack!