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Anyone else sick and tired of this crap?

Postby nichefindyours » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:49 pm

On our drive home this afternoon we encountered this another great example of MCM in Arcadia being prepared for an unfortunate fate. We drive by this home nearly daily and have always loved it. I am getting so tired of idiots demolishing these great homes. There are more than enough characterless homes in this valley that would not be missed.

Stepping down from my soapbox now....


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Postby Funktional Design » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:30 pm

It's maddening.

And I don't mean in a going crazy kind a way. It truly makes me mad.

And sad.

It would be nice to have enough money to go around and buy these places and save them!

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Postby PixelPixie » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:36 pm

Argh! Angst!

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Postby HooverDam » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:15 pm

When I list things that make me happy this is not on the list!!!

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Postby JC » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:35 am

Let's not be so critical!
We may get one of these in it's place....

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Let's keep our fingers and toes crossed!
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Postby nichefindyours » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:04 am

Only thing that is coming to my mind right now is wtf wtt?

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Postby matthew » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:57 am

i hate to pass judgement on other people and their aesthetics but i just have to say that i think that is a really fuggin ugly house.

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Postby DG » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:02 pm

The only thing that I am getting tired of is the fact that people in this board keep bashing anything that does not look or feel "mid century" or “modern”. There is not just “one” taste and most definitively not every building built in the 50's and 60's is worth keeping from being demolished. Back then there were also bad architects and bad projects. I think that some positive thinking rather than negative it would be way more productive.

In this specific case, we don’t know if the house in the pictures has structural damage, if its plumbing needs to be re-done completely or if it has any other issues that we may need to be aware of before anyone could rush to judgment. We don’t even know if the interiors are nice…maybe the cost of remodeling this home is unreasonable. Who knows…

I have not seen in this board any meaningful discussions about modern architecture in phoenix for a while now. We are surrounded by new and old re-vamped projects that are abominations and nobody seems to care...ohhh, I forgot, someone has to sell them.

My two cents.

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Postby KARLITO » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:09 pm

DG wrote: We are surrounded by new and old re-vamped projects that are abominations and nobody seems to care...ohhh, I forgot, someone has to sell them.

My two cents.


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Postby matthew » Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:13 pm

Daniel - I hear your point. Certainly I don't think we should all become the modern-police and look down our noses at other styles or judge people that make different choices then our own. I, for one, enjoy many different styles of architecture that do not fall under the modern label. I've got a fetish for the Territorial vernacular style and love the clean, honest expression of a Craftsman Bungalow. I like many contemporary styles as well, in particular the work of Wendell Burnette, Hayes McNeil or the Salengers. Or pretty much anything on <a href="http://materialicio.us/">Justin's blog</a> /shameless plug

If your comment is directed towards the original post in this thread, then I would respond that our city has a finite quantity of some cool old stuff and they seem to be disappearing at an alarming rate. I've had this vision of the old Camelback Corridor visit me lately where the Ciné Capri still stands and Googies (sp?) is intact in it's original form. Suddenly Cback from central to 44th begins to rival Palm Springs in mid-century coolness. I'm saddened that this reality is no longer possible and I hope we can save a few of these. That said, if the house photographed has a massive structural problem or whatever, then maybe it does not make sense monetarily to even consider saving it. Hell, I used to be registered as a Libertarian. People are entitled to do whatever they want with their property.

If your response was directed at my comment about that Adobe / Venetian Domed / Midevil Castle / Ipod Green monstrosity then perhaps I either misspoke or you misinterpreted me. It's not that it ain't modern, it's just that these styles do not go together and seem poorly considered. It looks like a collage of cut out photographs from merchant home builder brochures. There is no relationship between these styles for me. The more I think about it, the more I almost like this home as a post-modern (another style I really like!) Robert Venturi pastiche of disparate styles. Venturi would have pushed it farther and perhaps more deliberately.

I don't have permission to quote this here, but I am privy to some writing that David Grass shared with me in a critique of mass-market housing where he states the manifestation of style occurs as superficial appliqués of stucco-covered foam 'pop-outs' that represent a romantic notion of the culture being emulated in lieu of any site-specific design response or honesty in terms of materials and structures. I hope you don't mind the quote, David

Perhaps we should have some heavier discussions around here. I'd be honored if you would start some up, Daniel. Or throw me a topic or two via email and I will start the it up. Or do you really feel this community is not capable of some challenging ideas?
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Postby Funktional Design » Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:23 pm

DG wrote:The only thing that I am getting tired of is the fact that people in this board keep bashing anything that does not look or feel "mid century" or “modern”. There is not just “one” taste and most definitively not every building built in the 50's and 60's is worth keeping from being demolished. Back then there were also bad architects and bad projects. I think that some positive thinking rather than negative it would be way more productive.

In this specific case, we don’t know if the house in the pictures has structural damage, if its plumbing needs to be re-done completely.


I think seeing our area's recent activity of scraping post war era homes and building McMansion style structures has given a lot of us the ammunition to make these judgment calls. It's true that we are passing judgment. Is there anything wrong with that. There is not a single person alive that doesn't pass judgment on the things that they see every single day. This is a board that is biased towards MCM style homes. I think that to expect the majority of us to not be turned off by some of the homes in this thread (the one JC posted in particular) would be setting yourself up for disappointment.

My statement above holds particularly true in the Arcadia district. A drive through that area is a flood of feelings. Love and hate especially.

I also think it is safe to say that the majority of us are not "modern or die" people. From what I have seen from the people I've grown to know on these boards, and from the people that I have built friendships with on these boards is that if nothing else they are all extremely versatile and enjoy a wide variety of styles, music, fashion, art, and architecture. We're all very spicy. :wink:

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Postby PixelPixie » Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:47 pm

What I object to the most is the quasi-fortress style of some of the new homes. Windows are being decoratively barred over, as a stylistic statement for ye olde nostalgic days of warfare. Once-open yards are being gated in with high turrets that might as well have cannons sticking out of them. A drive through Arcadia these days provides a jaw-dropping array of homes that are outright hostile to look at.

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Postby DG » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:26 pm

Matthew, I appreciate your posting. The fact that you bring up Venturi it’s great and if you read my note you will understand why.

Funktional, my point is broader. I have not seen many threads that either put in perspective the damage that the new-box-like-want-to-be-modern buildings are doing to established neighborhoods or that discuss anything that goes beyond how much people don’t like Mc Mansions.

I thought this was a forum to learn and discuss about classic mid-century architecture (which has its roots in the early 1900 with the work of pioneers like Charles-Edouard Jeanneret in France, Aalto in Finland and Gropius, Meyer and Mies in charge of the Bauhaus in Germany) and contemporary architecture and design…and within those two “styles” come attached thousands of different perspectives and points of view.

So I guess that yes I am tired of reading how much people don’t like certain styles or buildings, and at the base of my unhappiness lays the fact that most of the times these judgments have no foundations to make a case either pro or against it.

My two cents.

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Postby PixelPixie » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:40 pm

DG wrote:The only thing that I am getting tired of is the fact that people in this board keep bashing anything that does not look or feel "mid century" or “modern”.


This message board IS designed for discussion about midcentury modern design, neo-modern and a bit of postmodern thrown in -- with local (not international) focus. If you're expecting diversity of discussion about lofts, current developments, etc, that's not really a realistic expectation. Or history-of-modernism from an international perspective. There are other forums for that and Dwell/Metropolis do a fine job of monthy education in that realm. We are widely diverse within this focused preference for local MCM and Modernist inspired design, but lets face it, you are NOT going to find many Tuscan promoters among our ranks, nor are you going to find many stick-and-stucco lovers.

If you'd like a deeper level of discourse, then I encourage you to start a thread of your own and see who jumps in. Looking at your post history, 33 out of 34 posts were responses, not conversation starters. Are YOU up to the challenge of taking responsibility for driving discourse forward? Show us what you'd like to see. ;-D


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